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I tried out an MNPD (malignant narcissistic personality disorder) technique I recently learned from the therapy book on dad last night.

It worked better than anything else I've tried and I feel as good as I can about the interaction.

MNPD thrive off attention - negative or positive - so the best thing to do is give them the very least amount of attention you can.

I was doing something when he tried to interrupt me (MNPD will purposely ALWAYS catch you when you're busy).

I kept my eyes on what I was doing, showed no emotion whatsoever, took a while responding, and when he did his stupid too low talking because he wants me to feel stupid and need clarification, I made him wait while I did more of what I was doing and finally said "oh did you say something?"

He spoke up clearly, asked a real question, didn't insult me or make stupid comments, and patiently waited for my response. đŸ˜±

When I finally responded to the question, he shut up and left the room! That's always the goal is for him to leave as quickly as possible and he has NEVER left so soon like that đŸ„ł

I didn't feel manipulated after he left and I didn't have the burning anger either. I consider that a big win!

MNPD want all their stuff to matter to you (even though nothing of yours matters to them so if you're dismissive or focusing on something else, they don't get their fix.

Every interaction with them is a game on their end, and I've fought playing games back for years (because playing games with people is sick) but it's necessary with MNPD so recently I decided okay I'll play if it means I get as little interaction as possible and I don't feel like shit every time.

I doubt this would have worked a few years ago before he was on medication and before he was actually scared of me and weak physically himself but it works now and I'm really excited!!

Bonus: My mom was in the room watching TV and afterwards told me she was so excited that she had to hide her face so he wouldn't see her gleefully grinning because she said I pulled off the technique perfectly and now she wants to try it 😂

UPDATE

Dec. 31st, 2023 10:48 am
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Oh and an update to the last post! Because he didn't suck enough already.

He just now came into my room and said "I didn't really drink any of it yet. I just wanted to see if it would freak you out."

This is nothing new with him. Mindgames constantly. He was stupid enough to take the water into his room without paying attention to the packaging, but hadn't actually drank any yet.

With the help of therapy and other people who know how to deal with MNPD (malignant narcissistic personality disorder), I'm learning how to respond so...

My response was "Oh I wasn't worried" and went back to what I was doing.

The less emotion you put into things and the less you let people with MNPD cause events, the less damage they cause and the less they get out of the interaction.

I had already looked up the ingredients to see if he needed a hospital visit, but I didn't tell him I did that. He doesn't need to know I wasted time looking something up for his benefit.

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dad: two of the five guys i used to bowl with died of broken necks!

mom: really?! at the same time or like...

dad: a few months apart from each other

mom: how does that even happen?! that's a wild coincidence!

dad: *blathers on for a while talking about boring "good old times" shit*

dad (finishing up): and the one fell down a flight of stairs and had a bad head injury

mom *suspicious*: so... he died from the brain injury or the broken neck?

dad: well they didn't say anything about a broken neck so probably the head injury

mom *more suspicious*: so then the other guy, how did he die?

dad: he fell off a roof

mom: and broke his neck?

dad: well the family's post didn't say what exactly killed him

me: so your story, the way you told it, is that two guys from your old team died of broken necks but the truth is that no one from your old team died of broken necks. correct?

dad *the MNPD flaring because his precious ego has been wounded*: well should i just go back to my room then since you guys don't want to hear about what's going on in my life?
 

 

BTW the proper response to this (according to the books and psych docs) is to change the subject. The ego has already been wounded, which the MNDP then considered a "lost game" and moving on puts a stop to the direction the conversation was going and also shows how little everyone around them cares about said subject -- adding to the "lost game" feeling.

So we changed the subject while he sulked for a minute but then he joined in again later, moving on.

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Y’know that fun little game my dad has been playing for years -- the one where he tells everybody we’re mean to him and don’t feed him or we give him shitty food and we don’t let him leave the house ever or do anything he wants to do?

I’ve complained about it here before but if you missed it, it’s a thing he does.

And up until very recently it was apparently a fun game for him. We’ve tried to get him to stop over the years because it’s caused TONS of issues.

Two of his friends contacted us separately on two different occasions (they didn’t do it together) to try to get us to stop abusing him.

Another friend (who is on a fixed income and almost blind) sent him a care package of shirts and underwear IN HIS SIZE and the brand he likes when he told said friend that we refused to do his laundry -- we didn’t, my mom had just had a seizure and was down for 2 days.

I’ve actually worried that he’s going to get us in trouble with an adult protection agency because of the things he says.

Anyway he came to me and my mom today and asked how he could change his relationship with his best friend who lives in another state because “he’s hurting my feelings.”

When we got to the bottom of it, it’s because his buddy is a very negative person, and every time he talks to him he’s telling my dad he’s gotta get away from us because we’re horrible.

But that’s not what my dad wants to do because my dad KNOWS he’s got it good here.

He does almost NOTHING (literally taking out the garbage once a week is the only thing he does here) and we take care of everything and he gets a hot meal every day and anything else he asks for.

We do actually take him out and even encourage him to get out more and even gently pushed him into working on a motor again after years of self-imposed “I can’t do anything” attitude and he’s loving it.

But he actually said the words “well now it’s affecting me and I don’t like it anymore -- he hurt my feelings”

Sooooo it’s suddenly not fun anymore and so NOW he wants it to stop.

It didn’t matter when it was hurting everybody else. Nah, it’s fun and he doesn’t wanna stop. Oh but now that HE’S feeling a little something he doesn’t like, he wants to cut off all ties with his friend just to get it to stop.

Even though he’s fed on this attention from all his friends and his side of the family for DECADES.

I know he’s got the whole malignant narcissistic personality disorder thing going, and I’m learning better how to deal with it, but sometimes it still REALLY impresses me sometimes how horrible these people are.

And he’ll admit it right to your face like it’s not a horrible thing and then wait for us to feel bad for him and tell him how to fix it.

I left the room and let my mom deal with it. I don’t have the time to deal with it and I certainly don’t have any compassion left in me in regards to him.

He burned that away years ago.

MNPD

Nov. 24th, 2022 10:07 am
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I knew what NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) was, but I’d never heard of Malignant Narcissistic Personality Disorder until 4 family members were diagnosed with it and I realized I’d been living in a different world than I thought I was.

MNPDs are so good at manipulation, they even fool psychologists and counselors. Which is why my mom and I thought these four family members were bipolar -- because that’s what they were diagnosed as until a specialist who knew what she was looking for saw through the bullshit.

Since the diagnosis, I’ve seen a lot of people slapping the MNPD label on people they don’t like. People who manipulate others or who seem like a villain from a bad movie.

It would be a huge mistake to fall for that because MNPD isn’t so obvious, especially to people outside MNPD’s circle.

To most people on the outside, someone with MNPD seems extremely charming, outgoing, funny, self-sacrificing, and VERY caring.

This makes it even harder to diagnose and harder for those living with this person. If you complain about anything, you look like the asshole, and the true manipulator comes off looking squeaky clean.

It wasn’t until my mom received calls from two of my dads friends that she realized he’s spent the last 2-1/2 years telling all his friends that we’re abusing him, starving him, keeping him locked in his room, etc. and that it was getting worse. Those two friends were ready to call social services on us.

The reality was that my dad is treated like a king. We don’t engage with him as much as we used to (especially since the diagnosis), but

  • I get him anything he asks for (treats, snacks, tools, clothes, etc.)

  • his room & bedding/clothes are cleaned for him

  • he gets a home-cooked, healthy meal prepared by me delivered to his desk in his bedroom 6 days as week

  • I coordinate all his doctor’s visits and all his medications so he doesn’t have to

  • we even got him a walker when he became unsteady on his feet and appeared to be a fall risk


He still bitterly complains to his friends that Sundays are his “enforced fasting” days. It’s the one day a week I have off, so we all just grab food for ourselves. But if you ask his friends (he has A LOT of friends), it sounds as though my dad is chained to his bed, locked in his room, and denied food and water on Sundays.

Thankfully the two friends who called my mom know he’s manipulative, and when they asked him directly about it, he laughed it off like he was telling them a joke the whole time, so his friends didn’t call social services on us.

This isn’t something new. He plays games like this with everyone. He’s driven all my friends and almost all my mom’s friends away over the years. The only reason some of my mom’s close family are still around is because they refuse to abandon her, but even they don’t realize how twisted my dad is.

Every word out of his mouth is a lie and/or manipulation. He screws his own friends over all the time, but they don’t even realize it because he charms and manipulates.

MNPD is NOT simply a manipulative person. It’s not simply an abusive person. It’s a wide range of chronic behavior and personality traits that are aggressively cruel along with a complete lack of conscience and an extreme form of insular selfishness.

Malignant narcissists are AWARE they cause pain, and they enjoy inflicting it. The truth is what they decide it is at any given time, and you’ll NEVER get an honest answer out of them about anything including their own opinions, wants, and desires.

The main thing I’ve learned is that the only way to “win” when dealing with a malignant narcissist is not to play the game. They’re never going to care, understand, feel bad about anything, or change their behavior.

That also means you can’t hurt their feelings, which is extremely freeing (at least for me).

That doesn’t mean you should purposely try to hurt them because that’s not going to work and instead you’ll be hurt. It means that you don’t have to worry about your interactions with them or overthink things because none of it really matters to them.

If you can’t avoid them, build thick walls around yourself. Keep interaction to a minimum, and if confrontation is unavoidable, try to avoid it in public where they’ll get even more attention and they’ll make you look like the fool.

Don’t bother trying to talk things out with them. This saves A LOT of time as they’re never going to change anyway, and telling them how they can hurt you gives them more power.

If you can, get away from them. If you can’t, protect yourself and find a friend/family member to support you and act as a confidant who won’t be scared off by them, won’t confront them, and will play the unassuming, charmed idiot who believes his every word.

I’m probably going to post more about MNPD, so if you don’t want to see it or you find it triggering, please blacklist it.

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